Question / Help Best PC Setup for 1080p 60FPS?

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waterise

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Obviously, Internet connection (upload/download) is extremely important.
But what PC specs would be able to run a 1080p 60FPS stream (for like Halo, Call of Duty, etc).

Below are my personal specs, but my download is only 26-30 and my upload is only 6 so when I run stuff at 1920x1080 60FPS, it's very laggy and makes stuff run slow.

Important Specs:
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 OEM (64-bit)

My build is definitely good, runs games at max settngs no probs....but streaming is a different story, but I guess that's mainly because upload/download. Anyways, thoughts, suggestions?
 
FerretBomb

FerretBomb

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Be aware that if you're streaming to Twitch, being partnered is going to be a realistic prerequisite, and talking with staff about high-rate streaming as well... 1080@60 is not going to happen in the 3500kbps range without looking like complete ass. You'll need closer to 6000kbps baseline, which is pretty deep into the "here there be dragons" territory where accounts can and do get banned as denial-of-service attacks for running at very high rates.

Beyond that, you're going to need a much stronger CPU than an i5 (which generally run out of steam after 720p@30, realistically speaking). Even lower-end i7s probably aren't going to cut it with acceptable quality. Chances are good you're looking at a hexacore or octocore, if not a standalone Xeon-based multi-processor encoding machine in a 2-PC setup.

1080p@60 really isn't feasible (without looking like crap), unless you're sinking a large chunk of change into some pretty strong iron. Real-time video encoding is a computationally HEAVY process, and needs gobs of CPU to pull it off, as you get into higher resolutions and framerates.

Don't get lost chasing numbers. No one will come to your stream just because it's 1080p@60. Especially as if you do it cheap, it'll look terrible. And if you go whole-hog, few will have the ability to actually download a stream at Source quality, running at the bitrates that will be required.

720p, 30fps, 2000kbps. There's a reason it's the golden point for non-partnered streamers.
 
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waterise

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FerretBomb said:
Don't get lost chasing numbers. No one will come to your stream just because it's 1080p@60. Especially as if you do it cheap, it'll look terrible. And if you go whole-hog, few will have the ability to actually download a stream at Source quality, running at the bitrates that will be required.

720p, 30fps, 2000kbps. There's a reason it's the golden point for non-partnered streamers.
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Well, here's one streamer I watch frequently who streams at 1080p @60FPS. I asked and he personally told me so. And it looks GREAT. He is partnered. His webcam, the game, & everything is like crystal clear for the most part. He's running at 3000 bitrate.

http://www.twitch.tv/ninja
 
D2ultima

D2ultima

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waterise said:
Well, here's one streamer I watch frequently who streams at 1080p @60FPS. I asked and he personally told me so. And it looks GREAT. He is partnered. His webcam, the game, & everything is like crystal clear for the most part. He's running at 3000 bitrate.

http://www.twitch.tv/ninja
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If THIS and THIS is what you consider "great quality" then you have no idea what great quality looks like. Also, those are older-looking games too. Each game looks different. Streaming 1080p in league of legends and Hearthstone is 10 times easier than 1080p in CoD or battlefield.

And not to mention, a partnered streaming streaming at 1080p means that non-partners can look at the transcodes if they can't watch his 1080p. And 1080p streams are difficult to decode for older machines. That's why a non-partner and a partner are two very different scenarios.

And that guy isn't even streaming well. He just used default settings and raised his bitrate, resolution and FPS. His compression is default and his audio bitrate is too high for twitch's guidelines. I.E. he doesn't know what he's doing. Partnership doesn't automatically mean someone knows what they're talking about. Most of the people here who know what they're talking about aren't partnered.

If you don't want to take Ferret's advice, that's on you. But if you think you're gonna stream PC games at 1080/60 as a non-partner with an i5... good luck. =D.
 
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alpinlol

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besides whats already said a starting point of cpu would be at least a i7 5820k (6c/12t) meaning you would need at least a ~200$ mb and ~180$ddr4 and since those cpus dont have any igpu you still need a dedicated gpu for ~150$ (only hardware besides hdd/ssd you can take from your old system)

even though you almost spend ~800$ you might still run into trouble streaming 1080p60 since its a ridiculous task for your cpu to encode and even worse for your viewers if i remember correctly when i tested 1080p60 i could push cpu usage on my mate (viewer) end with an fx 8320 to ~50-60% just by watching the stream now figure what happens if you are below an i5 or fx8 series which happens to be the case for quite a bunch of your viewers.


and a 3rd opinion to ninjas stream ... his stream quality is pretty bad and since hes playing halo im safe to say that he is even streaming through a dedicated streaming machine at this point and still has garbage quality.
 
C3PO

C3PO

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I'm streaming with no issues at 1080p @60fps on all my sims.

Specs:

i7 5820K @3.8GHz; nvidia GTX 780 Ti 3GB; 3 x Iiyama 24" monitors running at 5760 x 1080; 16GB DDR4 2333 RAM; 120GB SSD; 650W PSU; Win8.1 Home Premium 64 bit; Fanatec CSW v2 Base + Formula Carbon wheel; Fanatec Club Sport Pedals; FREXGP Sequential Shift+; Corbeau Revenge GT1 seat; Creative Gigaworks T40 Series II speakers; Fibre to the Property 300Mbps down / 30Mbps up
 
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waterise

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D2ultima said:
If THIS and THIS is what you consider "great quality" then you have no idea what great quality looks like.

And that guy isn't even streaming well. He just used default settings and raised his bitrate, resolution and FPS. His compression is default and his audio bitrate is too high for twitch's guidelines. I.E. he doesn't know what he's doing.
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1)It *usually* looks a LOT clearer, at least on my end.

2)You're right, he even admitted to not knowing what certain settings were when I brought them up. So, yes, he did just change the bitrate, BUT...it's still amazing quality. I'm trying to replicate that.
 
D2ultima

D2ultima

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waterise said:
2)You're right, he even admitted to not knowing what certain settings were when I brought them up. So, yes, he did just change the bitrate, BUT...it's still amazing quality. I'm trying to replicate that.
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I know I'm right, I've been fiddling and tinkering and checking for over five years. I can tell when someone knows what they're doing or not just by looking at their settings XD.

That being said, the quality isn't really amazing. I watched his past broadcasts on source and took screencaps when it looked particularly bad. But I could make things look better with 2500 bitrate, 720p and my laptop, far less whatever set up he has. 1080p is a numbers-chasing game and unless you're playing LoL or DoTA 2, you're going to have a hard time making it look good. Use the resolution and framerate you can manage with the gear you have. Aim for the best quality, rather than the most bragging-rights' quality.
 
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waterise

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D2ultima said:
I know I'm right, I've been fiddling and tinkering and checking for over five years. I can tell when someone knows what they're doing or not just by looking at their settings XD.

That being said, the quality isn't really amazing. I watched his past broadcasts on source and took screencaps when it looked particularly bad. But I could make things look better with 2500 bitrate, 720p and my laptop, far less whatever set up he has. 1080p is a numbers-chasing game and unless you're playing LoL or DoTA 2, you're going to have a hard time making it look good. Use the resolution and framerate you can manage with the gear you have. Aim for the best quality, rather than the most bragging-rights' quality.
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What settings do/would you personally use to make it look better than that?
For instance, on a game like WoW or RuneScape, I can stream 3000 bitrate, 1920x1080 @ 50 FPS perfectly fine.
But shooter games (what I mainly play) I have to downscale to 720p and lower my bitrate & FPS some.
 
D2ultima

D2ultima

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waterise said:
What settings do/would you personally use to make it look better than that?
For instance, on a game like WoW or RuneScape, I can stream 3000 bitrate, 1920x1080 @ 50 FPS perfectly fine.
But shooter games (what I mainly play) I have to downscale to 720p and lower my bitrate & FPS some.
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That's kind of the point. Stream to your game and to your equipment.

Anybody who sets framerate/resolution/bitrate and uses it for every single game ever has no care for quality. And a lot of bigger streamers just don't actually care, because people will watch them even with bad quality. If YOU care about quality, then tailor to the game and your system.
 
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waterise

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D2ultima said:
That's kind of the point. Stream to your game and to your equipment.

Anybody who sets framerate/resolution/bitrate and uses it for every single game ever has no care for quality. And a lot of bigger streamers just don't actually care, because people will watch them even with bad quality. If YOU care about quality, then tailor to the game and your system.
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You right, you right.
I was just wondering what the best setup is to be able to play 1080p 60FPS for shooter games without lag or frames dropped.
 
D2ultima

D2ultima

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waterise said:
You right, you right.
I was just wondering what the best setup is to be able to play 1080p 60FPS for shooter games without lag or frames dropped.
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And the answer is "none". Not with what we've got right now. Either better upload needs to be a thing, or h.265 needs to be adopted as a viable compression method. Either way, fast-paced games OR games with amazingly good graphics are not games that are viable for 1080p streaming, especially 60fps. Far less the people who stream in 1080p "because they can" when their game is being rendered at 1024 x 620 or something and it's upscaled to all hell and all they're doing is making it hard for people to watch good quality. >_<.
 
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waterise

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D2ultima said:
And the answer is "none". Not with what we've got right now. Either better upload needs to be a thing, or h.265 needs to be adopted as a viable compression method. Either way, fast-paced games OR games with amazingly good graphics are not games that are viable for 1080p streaming, especially 60fps. Far less the people who stream in 1080p "because they can" when their game is being rendered at 1024 x 620 or something and it's upscaled to all hell and all they're doing is making it hard for people to watch good quality. >_<.
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Is there a way to make the downscaling have better quality?
I don't like the huge decrease I see when I downscale to 720, ugh.
 
yanis31

yanis31

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@waterise - slower CPU presets is what you are looking for. and that's the end of it. - it will also murder your CPU ... i dont ever go above "fast" @ 720p .. and it looks almost as good if not better than these unoptimized 1080p streams all over the place ... medium is what you should strive for... but even something like a 4790k is too weak to run it on very cpu intensive games...
 
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CRUXRainmaker

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Hey guys, watching this thread after a long time. Can somebody experienced in streaming tell me what is the best streaming configuration and quality i can get with:

Ryzen 7 1700X (water cooled)
16GB DDR4 3000MHz RAM
MSI GTX 1070 GAMING X 8G
and only 6Mbit upload

Thank you :)
 
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alpinlol

Active Member
CRUXRainmaker said:
Hey guys, watching this thread after a long time. Can somebody experienced in streaming tell me what is the best streaming configuration and quality i can get with:

Ryzen 7 1700X (water cooled)
16GB DDR4 3000MHz RAM
MSI GTX 1070 GAMING X 8G
and only 6Mbit upload

Thank you :)
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Please dont dig out 2 Year old Threads, instad open your own thread.

Since RyZen CPUs are completely new its quite hard to give you a proper recommendation, but since its a 8C/16T CPU with a moderate Clockspeed you can try following settings.

1920x1080 downscaled by 1.5 to 1280x720
60FPS
3500 Bitrate
Preset of fast.
 
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